2021-12-03 13:19:17 Burzum Alright im back, have you guys solved the problem yet? 2021-12-03 13:30:11 tyep World's still on fire, don't think so 2021-12-03 13:31:23 avoidr Burzum, what problem? 2021-12-03 13:32:18 tyil https://static.banky.club/shitposter.club/b1dd285f991ac71aa9c6e102da5643138a90e65e5d406cc1cc70a825b8276f88.jpg?name=maga_soy.jpg 2021-12-03 13:32:30 tyil avoidr: its a winfag trying to be edgy 2021-12-03 13:32:35 tyil even ullard gave up on him 2021-12-03 13:34:52 avoidr I know, that's what I meant earlier, tyil. Let me be clueless. 2021-12-03 13:34:58 tyil ah 2021-12-03 13:35:09 tyil I'm too autistic for that subtle shit 2021-12-03 13:36:27 avoidr I don't know, have you seen my '"wew" statement' last night? 2021-12-03 13:36:41 tyil no 2021-12-03 13:36:45 tyil I only read high quality posts 2021-12-03 13:36:46 Burzum I wanted to get an application to run in linux, if people could help me out I would make the switch today avoidr But they laughed at me and told me the solution is to run it through a windows VM. 2021-12-03 13:37:42 avoidr Dang, that's terrible... who laughed at you? 2021-12-03 13:37:56 avoidr Someone in here? 2021-12-03 13:38:49 Burzum Yup 2021-12-03 13:39:49 avoidr In my #sqt???! I am so disappointed :/ 2021-12-03 13:39:52 Burzum This 2021-12-03 13:39:53 Burzum https://github.com/OneXDeveloper/MapAssist/tree/develop 2021-12-03 13:39:53 Burzum and this 2021-12-03 13:39:54 Burzum https://github.com/OneXDeveloper/d2mapapi 2021-12-03 13:39:54 Burzum if I can get those working I'm ditching windows for good, only things holding me back. 2021-12-03 13:40:55 avoidr >D2R MapHack 2021-12-03 13:41:12 Burzum But it seems that no one in this IRC has the knowledge on how to solve such a problem as this. 2021-12-03 13:41:31 Burzum So they laugh it off instead. 2021-12-03 13:41:42 avoidr Low quality bait is low. 2021-12-03 13:41:51 Burzum How come? It is an actual problem. 2021-12-03 13:42:24 avoidr What's the problem again? 2021-12-03 13:42:53 Burzum I compile it and try to run it but no 2021-12-03 13:42:56 avoidr You mentioned something about installing Linux and this MapHack. How do those relate? 2021-12-03 13:42:58 Burzum Tried through wine aswell but no. 2021-12-03 13:43:39 Burzum I can install Linux, I was on Linux for over a month but since some programs never work I end up back on Windows. If we can get this to work then I feel comfortable making the switch and leaving windows for good. 2021-12-03 13:44:22 avoidr So the problem is you can't leave Windows because your maphack doesn't work? 2021-12-03 13:44:32 Burzum No because similar small programs like this wont work. 2021-12-03 13:45:20 avoidr What are those other similar small programs? 2021-12-03 13:45:21 Burzum I want to feel able to download "any" program from the internet and get it to work in a linux environment like I would have been able to on my windows setup. If that is the case then I'm comfortable in making the switch. 2021-12-03 13:45:49 avoidr Yeah, but see, this isn't how it goes in "Linux". And never will be. 2021-12-03 13:46:26 Burzum Then I guess Windows is the operating system for me sadly. I want to be able to change but no. 2021-12-03 13:46:37 avoidr Why do you want to be able to change? 2021-12-03 13:47:08 → chadmed (~james@2403-580a-80ed--e808-538a-1a4e-5a36.ip6.aussiebb.net) has joined #sqt 2021-12-03 13:47:14 Burzum Open Source, Privacy, Freedom, Not getting tracked, living my own life without Mr Microsoft knowing everything about it. 2021-12-03 13:47:34 Burzum  Its not because of cute themes and being "edgy" thats for sure 2021-12-03 13:49:06 avoidr So there's privacy and freedom and all that stuff on the one hand. And on the other you have a non-working maphack and similar small programs. You're gonna have to know for yourself which is more valuable to you. 2021-12-03 13:49:13 Burzum I know a maphack for D2R might seem like a small thing, but it is merely a metaphor for the issue at hand, the best example I could find at the moment. 2021-12-03 13:49:35 Burzum It could be any program, any program whatsoever, this one is just an example. 2021-12-03 13:49:39 Burzum But it seems impossible to solve. 2021-12-03 13:50:07 avoidr Your best example is not a good one. Given what's on "the one hand". 2021-12-03 13:50:08 ampersam I like diablo Burzum, never played D2 2021-12-03 13:50:38 ampersam #sqt is very lightly moderated you have to be a massive gaping asshole to get B& so you'll occasionally get dicks. 2021-12-03 13:50:48 tyil its true 2021-12-03 13:50:52 tyil ampersam is still around after all 2021-12-03 13:51:07 ampersam yes. a shame on all the chanops 2021-12-03 13:51:19 Burzum That is not a problem, but it seems like instead of confessing that people dont know how to solve my problem instead they laugh it off. 2021-12-03 13:51:29 avoidr lol 2021-12-03 13:51:31 howoz yes. 2021-12-03 13:52:03 Burzum let me change the question to this then 2021-12-03 13:52:05 avoidr Burzum is a massive gaping asshole if you ask me, but I'm amused. 2021-12-03 13:52:26 Burzum If I cant run a .exe through wine, what would be some other alternatives to run this .exe file? 2021-12-03 13:52:31 ampersam Burzum sometimes the only solution is to find a linux-centric tool that does the same job. 2021-12-03 13:52:47 avoidr Burzum, a VM running Windows. 2021-12-03 13:52:53 ampersam Burzum a VM. Wine is afaik the best there is for running .exes in linux. 2021-12-03 13:52:57 howoz Burzum, port it to linux 2021-12-03 13:53:09 ← chadmed (~james@2403-580a-80ed--e808-538a-1a4e-5a36.ip6.aussiebb.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2021-12-03 13:53:21 avoidr howoz, he would need to port D2 along with it. 2021-12-03 13:53:28 ampersam Is wine giving you useful error messages? 2021-12-03 13:53:32 Burzum Things is if I'm gonna have diablo running on a VM 24/7 with worse performance than I would have than by running it natively in Windows I might aswell stay on windows right? 2021-12-03 13:53:35 → chadmed (~james@2403-580a-80ed--9ca1-7ae8-f5a8-74ec.ip6.aussiebb.net) has joined #sqt 2021-12-03 13:53:36 Burzum I 2021-12-03 13:53:36 avoidr Since his blocker from freedom and privacy is a maphack to D2. 2021-12-03 13:53:47 ampersam howoz og diablo has a linux port, i'm not sure if D2 does. 2021-12-03 13:53:56 howoz avoidr, two birds with one stone, sweet 2021-12-03 13:54:00 Burzum ampersam D2R works greath through lutris. 2021-12-03 13:54:21 Burzum @ampersam Wine gives no errors it runs the file but it does not show the DirectX rendered overlay ontop of D2R 2021-12-03 13:54:30 avoidr >@ 2021-12-03 13:54:33 Burzum no error messages, and no errors in hte log of the program. 2021-12-03 13:54:47 avoidr Not sure if amused or cringe. 2021-12-03 13:55:07 avoidr But my facial muscles are tired, I better stop. 2021-12-03 13:55:32 Burzum avoidr I'm sorry about not being as fluent in IRC as you, I just ask for assistance and nothing comes from it. at first everyone was super helpful but as soon as they saw the problem it devolved into degeneracy. 2021-12-03 13:55:42 howoz Burzum, https://forum.winehq.org/ did you try asking here? 2021-12-03 13:56:34 Burzum I dont think its a problem with Wine whatsoever, its about d2r being run on Linux produced other memorystrings compared to running on windows, hence the D2R MA cant read the memory the same way as it can on Windows. 2021-12-03 13:56:36 avoidr Yeah, because your problem is shit and you don't accept advice. People have been very patient with you. But you go on doing child-baits like "hurr they laugh because they are scared to admit they don't really know :DDD". 2021-12-03 13:57:25 Burzum If the solution on how to get it running on Linux is to run it in Windows I will not accept that as a solution no. 2021-12-03 13:57:40 Burzum Everyone just using Linux as a frontend to Windows VM's 2021-12-03 13:57:49 Burzum Everyone seems to be* 2021-12-03 13:58:09 avoidr If the problem was "how to move away from Windows and use Linux", then you'd accept that as a solution, yes. 2021-12-03 13:58:46 Burzum It is not moving away from Windows if I have to have a VM with windows in it, and playing D2R with much worse performance than I would have had if I was playing it on Native Windows. 2021-12-03 13:58:55 tyil you could move away by not cheating in the first place :') 2021-12-03 13:59:03 Burzum That is not a solution either. 2021-12-03 13:59:08 tyil it really is 2021-12-03 13:59:19 tyil >I'm doing dumb shit and it's making me make dumb decisions 2021-12-03 13:59:24 tyil >"have you tried not doing the dumb shit" 2021-12-03 13:59:25 Burzum Question: How do i shoot this gun? 2021-12-03 13:59:25 Burzum Solution: Do not shoot it. 2021-12-03 13:59:28 tyil >NOOOOOOO I MUST BE DUMB 2021-12-03 13:59:35 Burzum Yikes 2021-12-03 13:59:44 tyil you in a nutshell 2021-12-03 14:00:25 Burzum Even if its a dumb decision it is a decision of mine. Maybe that makes me dumb. I accept that, but I faced you with a question that noone is able to answer. 2021-12-03 14:00:40 Burzum Or even care about trying to aid with. 2021-12-03 14:00:51 tyil it is a decision of you 2021-12-03 14:00:55 tyil hence we are calling you dumb 2021-12-03 14:01:00 tyil because it is a dumb decision 2021-12-03 14:01:09 tyil we have answered it in multiple ways already 2021-12-03 14:01:15 Burzum if its "i want to run office" you can easily answer "use libreoffice instead" but no, in this case there are no easy solutions so instead of trying to help its "HURR DURR RETARD DUMB DOO DOO HEAD" 2021-12-03 14:01:39 tyil but since you're absolutely terrified of accepting you've been a retard for years who hates improving his own life if it takes any amount of effort, you don't want to accept the answers 2021-12-03 14:01:43 tyil that's on you, not anyone else in here 2021-12-03 14:01:55 Burzum I accept that I'm a retard, should retards not get help with their problems? 2021-12-03 14:02:05 tyil they should learn how to not be retarded first 2021-12-03 14:02:12 Burzum Oh boy what a world we would live in. 2021-12-03 14:02:14 tyil you can't teach a retard anything if he isn't interested in learning 2021-12-03 14:02:18 Wotac i'll have to adjust that metaphor a little 2021-12-03 14:02:28 Wotac "how do i shoot this gun?" 2021-12-03 14:02:28 Burzum Telling people suffering from cerebral palsy to just "act normal and stop being stupid" 2021-12-03 14:02:37 tyil yes, its not that hard 2021-12-03 14:02:40 Burzum Iam interested in learning how to solve my problem. 2021-12-03 14:02:43 tyil humanity has been able to do that for 12000 years 2021-12-03 14:02:47 Burzum No they havent. 2021-12-03 14:02:52 tyil what makes you so special that you are the first one who can't? 2021-12-03 14:02:56 Burzum You are just being ignorant. 2021-12-03 14:03:01 Wotac "well no one got any instructions so these are all just guesses but this guy managed to get it firing, try doing the same thing" 2021-12-03 14:03:09 tyil I'm very ignorant of dumb people and their retardedly dumb opinions, yes 2021-12-03 14:03:14 tyil I'm not trying to be like you 2021-12-03 14:03:28 tyil I've been like that, and I greatly enjoy not being like you 2021-12-03 14:03:32 Wotac if the part with "this guy" is missing then there might not even be an answer 2021-12-03 14:03:37 Burzum Wotac  noone has gotten this gun(program) to fire(work) on linux. 2021-12-03 14:03:59 ampersam Burzum tyil lives for this 2021-12-03 14:04:14 Burzum He is free to do so, it makes me no harm whatsoever. 2021-12-03 14:04:19 tyil Wotac: the response would be more like "this gun shoots yourself in the face, you really jsut shouldn't do that, we're not going to help you shoot yourself in the face" 2021-12-03 14:04:52 Burzum Not even a reasonable comparison 2021-12-03 14:05:00 Burzum Hopefully someone will take some time and sit down with me and discuss this problem, someone that isnt a kid. 2021-12-03 14:05:26 Wotac the most important point here is that if there is a solution it means that someone figured it out and should probably be thanked, if there isn't a solution the blame is obviously on the software maker, not the people who haven't reverse-engineered it yet 2021-12-03 14:06:50 avoidr Burzum, someone that isn't a kid doesn't have the problem that he can't switch to freedom because he can't cheat in his game. 2021-12-03 14:07:07 Burzum Wotac Or maybe the blame is on the Linux program itself for not making a compatibility layer to run NT Kernel based software. 2021-12-03 14:07:17 Wotac it isn't 2021-12-03 14:07:22 Burzum Should be 2021-12-03 14:08:01 avoidr >the Linux program is to blame for not making a compatibility layer to run NT Kernel based software. 2021-12-03 14:08:14 ampersam all 3 of the libraries d2mapapi depends on claim to be portable, have you tried building d2mapapi on linux? 2021-12-03 14:08:27 Burzum Here we have a road, cars drive on the road 2021-12-03 14:08:27 Burzum I design a special open source car that needs special roads to function. 2021-12-03 14:08:28 Burzum I expect everyone making roads to build special roads for me to travel with my open source car. 2021-12-03 14:08:28 Wotac NT isn't open source that can just be imported to get the support, you have to ask that support from the NT creators 2021-12-03 14:08:53 Burzum Instead of making my open source car function on the regular roads. 2021-12-03 14:09:26 Burzum ampersam I built both d2mapapi and d2 MA through vsstudio on linux yes. 2021-12-03 14:09:32 Wotac more like the road has hidden mines and your close source car has the map to avoid them 2021-12-03 14:09:45 Wotac but they won't tell it 2021-12-03 14:10:17 avoidr Burzum, you have it backwards, faggot. Just because you were driving bumper cars in their special arenas all your life, doesn't mean that the real world has to be compatible with your toy. 2021-12-03 14:10:44 ampersam Burzum but they wont work on diablo2 through wine? 2021-12-03 14:11:21 Burzum I want to drive a special car that only works on this special road and I beg developers to make my special car run on their already established roads. Instead of just driving the normal car on the roads that already work. 2021-12-03 14:11:57 avoidr Yeah, why don't you just take the normal car and drive? 2021-12-03 14:11:57 Wotac standards are normal, just follow standards and everything works 2021-12-03 14:12:20 Burzum avoidr That is what I have to do it seems like 2021-12-03 14:12:35 avoidr No, you have it backwards. 2021-12-03 14:12:35 Burzum ampersam the program compiles and runs but there is no output. 2021-12-03 14:12:37 ampersam Burzum does the d2mapapi server give you anything when you send it requests? you can use netcat for this 2021-12-03 14:13:28 Burzum actually the d2mapapi I can run through a docker and input that url in the config file of D2 MA so that one isnt a necessity 2021-12-03 14:13:41 Burzum that part seems to function on linux aswell. 2021-12-03 14:14:10 Burzum It is D2R MapAssist failing to output the overlay onto of d2r, because its not getting any data from the game memory it is trying to read 2021-12-03 14:14:17 Burzum sort of like they are separated and dont have access to eachother 2021-12-03 14:16:10 Burzum 1. Have diablo running (works) 2021-12-03 14:16:11 Burzum 2. have d2mapapi running (works) 2021-12-03 14:16:11 Burzum 3. Start D2 MapAssist (works) 2021-12-03 14:16:12 Burzum 4. D2 MapAssist should read game data from D2R (map id struct) compare that to the map database of old D2 through the D2 Map Api, suck that map information out of there and display it as an DirectX overlay ontop of the D2R Window. 2021-12-03 14:16:32 Burzum Step 4 does not work, and its a big step, and I dont know where it is failing because nothing is outputting anything. 2021-12-03 14:18:06 avoidr I guess that's where you read its code and write some debug lines to see what's going on. 2021-12-03 14:18:33 Burzum It has a logging function, everything is blank, nothing. so maybe the program isnt even able to execute itself in a linux environment. 2021-12-03 14:18:38 Burzum not a single line. 2021-12-03 14:19:09 Wotac well does it have read, write and execute rights 2021-12-03 14:19:16 Burzum It does. 2021-12-03 14:19:40 Burzum They all do d2rma/d2mapapi/d2r 2021-12-03 14:20:20 Burzum It requires a local install of the old d2 files aswell, since that is where d2mapapi is taking its data from, that seems to work, the terminal shows it as running the same way as it does on windows 2021-12-03 14:20:47 Burzum but it never gets the info from d2rma to "find this information" "load this information" "destroy this information when a new map is loaded" rinse and repeat. 2021-12-03 14:20:53 howoz override wine's directx dlls with native windows ones 2021-12-03 14:21:07 howoz it *might* work 2021-12-03 14:22:24 Wotac btw are you using dxvk 2021-12-03 14:22:47 Burzum Wotac Tried both. 2021-12-03 14:23:04 Burzum howoz Where do I find those (both linux location and native windows dll's) 2021-12-03 14:24:02 howoz there's a dll tab in winecfg(1) 2021-12-03 14:24:35 howoz download directx from windows' website 2021-12-03 14:24:46 howoz and do some magic 2021-12-03 14:24:53 ampersam >not getting any data from the game memory it is trying to read if its looking at the running exe for where the memory should be, but the running exe is having its memory allocations done by a translation layer, wouldn't the running .exe actually have no idea where things are in memory? 2021-12-03 14:25:16 avoidr Probably this. 2021-12-03 14:25:31 avoidr Is it actually supposed to work on Linux? 2021-12-03 14:25:32 ampersam the translation layer would be asking for and getting mallocs. not the exe right? 2021-12-03 14:26:24 Burzum ampersam Yes that is What I think is happening. So the application probably has to be rewritten with new memory strings and offsets matching what running d2r on linux puts out. 2021-12-03 14:26:38 Burzum avoidr It is not supposed to work on linux no. 2021-12-03 14:27:18 avoidr Then what are you trying? 2021-12-03 14:28:17 Burzum avoidr To run this program on linux, because I want this program functionality. 2021-12-03 14:28:29 Burzum And there is no replacement for such a niche thing. 2021-12-03 14:28:44 Wotac i don't know about these things that much but if dxvk translates directx to vulkan and vulkan runs natively wouldn't it know the location of the memory too 2021-12-03 14:31:12 Burzum I made a request to the devs to develop a linux version aswell but probably wont happen with such a small team working on a project like this in their freetime. 2021-12-03 14:31:39 Wotac well the chances of it happening still increased no matter how little 2021-12-03 14:33:31 ampersam burzum 3 separate programs talking to each other and having to give DRM and anti-cheat the runaround is a clusterfuck, add translation of d3d and windows calls and you made a larger clusterfuck. I just play linux games and dont really feel like much is missing from my life but if you're a diablo 2 diehard you might want to dual-boot. 2021-12-03 14:33:52 ampersam If you're feeling like a chad and diablo 2 map api gives you valid json, you could write a linux tool to query that json 2021-12-03 14:34:04 tyil >this is still going on 2021-12-03 14:35:02 ampersam tyil be nice 2021-12-03 14:35:21 tyil this is me being nice 2021-12-03 14:35:27 tyil I could've called you all retarded niggers 2021-12-03 14:35:56 ampersam i also think cheating at vidya games makes you a retarded nigger but i found it an interesting problem. 2021-12-03 14:36:40 ampersam tyil now that i'm learning to fuck with python and change how the syntax works, what do you think the nigger keyword should do? 2021-12-03 14:36:56 tyil >introducing new keywords 2021-12-03 14:37:09 tyil because python didn't have enough yet that conflict with very common variable names 2021-12-03 15:12:07 kyrio persist 2021-12-03 15:12:13 kyrio fight the power 2021-12-03 15:12:24 * tyil rows 2021-12-03 15:43:33 → Burzum51 (~Burzum@c83-251-108-82.bredband.tele2.se) has joined #sqt 2021-12-03 15:43:38 ← Burzum51 (~Burzum@c83-251-108-82.bredband.tele2.se) has quit (Client Quit) 2021-12-03 15:44:09 → Burzum_At_Home (~Burzum_At@c83-251-108-82.bredband.tele2.se) has joined #sqt 2021-12-03 15:44:16 Burzum_At_Home Hi, did I miss something? 2021-12-03 15:44:34 Burzum_At_Home I went home, took some devils lettuce and now I'm at the computer 2021-12-03 15:44:55 Burzum_At_Home you guys have convinced me, what is the absolute best performing program to run a Windows VM in Ubuntu. 2021-12-03 15:45:07 Burzum_At_Home or Zorin OS or whatver. 2021-12-03 15:51:32 Burzum_At_Home Nvm screw Zorin OS and their GPL violations and non open source linux project that they demand money for. 2021-12-03 15:51:45 Burzum_At_Home I will probably go with Ubuntu Budgie 2021-12-03 15:53:16 tyil libvirt 2021-12-03 15:55:12 Burzum_At_Home Is it an easy way to setup a win11 VM in libvirt? like step-by-step guide or something along those lines, or are there other easier alternatives? 2021-12-03 15:55:55 kyrio use debian 2021-12-03 15:57:03 Burzum_At_Home Alright say I go Debian if thats what you guys are all about, what do I use there to VM a Win11 2021-12-03 15:57:37 tyil >you guys 2021-12-03 15:57:39 tyil I feel insulted 2021-12-03 15:57:56 Burzum_At_Home No not at all, guys is a general term nowadays. 2021-12-03 15:58:03 tyil ye but I'm not about debian 2021-12-03 15:58:43 kyrio libvirt 2021-12-03 15:58:50 tyil either way libvirt exists on debian, and its easier than fiddling with qemu manually for beginners 2021-12-03 15:58:55 Burzum_At_Home Okay, then what are you about? I want easy to get up and running and just browsing the internet/watching youtube/playing media(mkv videos & Spotify). 2021-12-03 15:59:01 kyrio also why would you install win11 2021-12-03 15:59:17 tyil kyrio: he really wants to cheat in a game rather than just learn how the game works 2021-12-03 15:59:38 Burzum_At_Home To do my work, we need Win 11 at the office sadly, but want to use Linux for everything else and hop into Win11 to do work related stuff. 2021-12-03 15:59:39 tyil not sure what the point is of a game when you're going out of your way to not improve at it 2021-12-03 15:59:48 kyrio cheating is good 2021-12-03 15:59:50 kyrio but why 11 2021-12-03 15:59:59 Burzum_At_Home Home computer is staying Windows for now due to before talked about reasons, now we are talking about my office PC. 2021-12-03 16:00:18 Burzum_At_Home so dont consider gaming performance or anything, just general browsing/media. 2021-12-03 16:00:21 kyrio there's no way a business would say "you must use 11" when it just came out and it's a nightmare 2021-12-03 16:00:23 Burzum_At_Home and ease of use. 2021-12-03 16:01:05 Burzum_At_Home Yes, alot of Municipality and State Controlled organizations have switched to windows 11 in their environment and for me to support it fully as a Network Admin I need to be on Win 11 aswell. 2021-12-03 16:01:12 tyil lmoa 2021-12-03 16:01:17 kyrio what 2021-12-03 16:01:25 tyil a lot of municipality and state controlled organisations have switched completely to web apps 2021-12-03 16:01:31 kyrio is it because the systems admin is retarded and didn't disable windows update 2021-12-03 16:01:39 tyil they hardly run anything on their local machine 2021-12-03 16:01:43 tyil and most definitely not win11 2021-12-03 16:02:21 Burzum_At_Home No, because they wanted to go over to Win 11 and stay up-to-date, everything has been working fine actually. But thats not the point we are getting off track, I have to use win 11 on the VM no discussions. 2021-12-03 16:02:50 tyil this egotistical attitude is why most people here don't feel like helping you 2021-12-03 16:03:02 Burzum_At_Home What distro for general browsing/watching youtube/playing media(mkv videos & Spotify)? 2021-12-03 16:03:03 kyrio it doesn't matter if it's working fine 2021-12-03 16:03:14 kyrio the ui is garbage and it's even more of a security nightmare 2021-12-03 16:03:23 Burzum_At_Home @kyrio Agreed. but it is not for me to decide. 2021-12-03 16:03:24 kyrio security/privacy 2021-12-03 16:04:29 kyrio just keep using windows 2021-12-03 16:04:48 kyrio why would you run win11 in a vm on your pc 2021-12-03 16:06:17 Burzum_At_Home Because Win 11 is running like shit on the work computers, it is a total nightmare and you guys are right it is downright stupid to have made the switch, but here Iam if I'm not on a Win11 it wont let me join the Domain so there are no options I hate it but have grown to accept it. 2021-12-03 16:06:36 kyrio i see 2021-12-03 16:06:56 kyrio so why not install win10 2021-12-03 16:07:35 Burzum_At_Home So I want to do 100% of the things that dont absolutely require Windows 11 from my Linux marchine and hop onto the VM for the rare use cases where that is not the case. 2021-12-03 16:17:46 ampersam Burzum_At_Home good certs to have if you want to do IT work? 2021-12-03 16:17:55 Wotac i wouldn't recommend any small no-name distro for a work computer, try debian or kubuntu first 2021-12-03 16:19:24 Burzum_At_Home ampersam CompTIA Network+ or CompTIA Whatever+ related to the field you want to work in. 2021-12-03 16:19:30 Wotac i think it has to be big and supported and stable for a work computer so you don't have to say that you can't work today because xorg broke 2021-12-03 16:19:40 ampersam swim upstream little salmon, lots of distros are forks of a fork. Debain, Suse, arch, gentoo come to mind. 2021-12-03 16:20:09 Wotac debian with KDE is pretty nice, that's what i'm typing from 2021-12-03 16:20:21 ampersam as being upstream distros that is, I'm a debfag, i like debian, I think its a very professional project which lives up to the "universal operating system" slogan. It runs anything, it runs on everything. nice. 2021-12-03 16:21:04 Wotac remember to use the nonfree ISO if you don't know how to set that manually later 2021-12-03 16:21:08 Burzum_At_Home @ampersam If i'ts for a Microsoft based workingplace any microsoft based certs should be valuable aswell, same goes for linux based workplaces but linux certs, if its for say a network job any sort of vendor specific network certs are valueable aswell, say a CISCO CCENT 2021-12-03 16:21:41 ampersam Burzum_At_Home nice thanks. I've heard of compTIA before suppose thats as good a place as any to start. 2021-12-03 16:22:11 ampersam also what Wotac said default debian is free software only, some hardware requires non-free stuff. 2021-12-03 16:22:35 ampersam nvidia gpus and intel wireless cards being the biggest offenders. 2021-12-03 16:23:00 Burzum_At_Home Alright, so if thinking about Ubuntu or Ubuntu Budgie or Linux Mint or whatever you say its better to go upstream and find the source like Debian and start there and make it your own? 2021-12-03 16:23:07 → Itaru (~DaSH@ro2.flokinet.is) has joined #sqt 2021-12-03 16:23:59 ampersam Burzum_At_Home the reasons to reccomend ubnuntu to noobs shrink as canonical acts more and more like a corporation, and debian isn't as much a nerdy project assuming nerds are using it anymore. It has a nice netinstall image. 2021-12-03 16:24:08 Wotac they are all similar enough for it to not matter that much right now 2021-12-03 16:24:33 Wotac but here's debian nonfree https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.1.0+nonfree/amd64/ 2021-12-03 16:26:34 Wotac maybe this https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ 2021-12-03 16:26:39 Burzum_At_Home Okay, anything I should think about when it comes to hardware? work laptop is using a ryzen 5 3500U and 16 gigs of ram, does distro matter then? 2021-12-03 16:27:22 Burzum_At_Home Its a Lenovo Thinkpad something something 2021-12-03 16:27:54 ampersam Burzum_At_Home thinkpads usually do okay except for non-free firmware for your wireless card. Is it an intel card? 2021-12-03 16:28:16 Wotac maybe not intel card if the CPU is AMD 2021-12-03 16:28:20 Burzum_At_Home Hmm not sure, its a Thinkpad T495 2021-12-03 16:28:21 ampersam posting from my core 2 32bit T60. T14 arriving today god bless black friday. 2021-12-03 16:29:05 Burzum_At_Home It's either Intel or Realtek, since those are the only options for drivers on the T495 website. 2021-12-03 16:30:04 Wotac the nonfree ISO probably covers that 2021-12-03 16:30:25 ampersam Realtek RTL8822BE, 802.11ac Dual Band 2x2 Wi-Fi + Bluetooth 4.2, M.2 card•Intel Wireless-AC 9260, 802.11ac Dual Band 2x2 Wi-Fi + Bluetooth 5.1, M.2 card 2021-12-03 16:30:42 ampersam i've never had realtek wifi, but for intel you'll need firmware-iwlwifi 2021-12-03 16:32:57 Wotac i believe if the CPU is intel then other parts are more likely to be intel but if the CPU is AMD they don't want to use intel parts 2021-12-03 16:33:33 Wotac but i might be wrong 2021-12-03 16:34:33 ampersam god i hope i get an intel wifi card with my amd card. 2021-12-03 16:34:36 ampersam not a realtek fan. 2021-12-03 16:34:40 ampersam amd cpu* 2021-12-03 16:34:51 ampersam besides realtek drivers aren't in openBSD 2021-12-03 16:36:00 ampersam Dec 3, 8:56 AM 2021-12-03 16:36:02 ampersam Out For Delivery Today 2021-12-03 16:36:04 ampersam HYPE 2021-12-03 16:37:19 Wotac tfw i didn't buy anything from black friday 2021-12-03 16:38:07 ampersam if you have no reason to don't 2021-12-03 16:38:40 ampersam i expect to have this machine for years i'm not excited for next years new stuff and intel was having a blowout to get rid of stock for the next gen 2021-12-03 16:39:44 ampersam 12th gen intlel is different and it will be a while until its fully utilized, probably get btfo by 13th when they refine, and AMD is behind on being able to ship zen3 i dont see zen4 being commonly available in consoomer gear for a bit 2021-12-03 16:39:49 Wotac yeah if T60 can still be used somehow then any current year model will last a long time 2021-12-03 16:39:57 ampersam >somehow 2021-12-03 16:40:05 ampersam its not that bad 2021-12-03 16:40:09 ampersam *copes* 2021-12-03 16:41:07 Wotac i assume you will notice a speed difference after using the new one 2021-12-03 16:41:19 ampersam hahaha i'm going from 32bit core 2 to 8c16t zen 3 2021-12-03 16:42:04 ampersam i can stop leaning on sqt.wtf shell account for building things too which i'm sure ullard will appreciate 2021-12-03 16:42:39 Wotac everything that happened reasonably fast for it to be usable will probably happen instantly and maybe so fast it's confusing, that happened to me when i upgraded my phone 2021-12-03 16:43:12 ampersam i look forward to using the mainstream web instead of just lite nerdy unix-world sites 2021-12-03 16:43:23 ampersam what is it with unixfags and obsession with lightweight websites? 2021-12-03 16:43:35 Burzum_At_Home Alright installing Debian tomorrow on the T495, Anything special I should know about Virtlib going into it? 2021-12-03 16:44:36 ampersam red-hats libvirt you mean? Its very nice. I like virt-manager its the reason i always have gtk even on kde. 2021-12-03 16:44:56 Wotac i just remembered that i think i had problems installing debian the other day, the newest version didn't install and i had to install the previous one and upgrade 2021-12-03 16:45:03 Wotac or was it some other distro 2021-12-03 16:45:16 Burzum_At_Home No idea, the program people recommended me was the libvirt yes. 2021-12-03 16:45:22 Burzum_At_Home I got 0 idea myself. 2021-12-03 16:45:40 ampersam found a local professor's tilde page. The majority of the uni's pages were very flashy javascript things made by presumably web design students showing off. the professor didn't even have CSS and proudly displayed a "made with Vi" badge. 2021-12-03 16:46:32 Burzum_At_Home I took a programming course at school in 2010 and we sat there for a year looking at virtual basic. 2021-12-03 16:47:04 Burzum_At_Home Visual Basic* 2021-12-03 16:47:17 ampersam Burzum_At_Home: https://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/unix-as-ide-introduction/ 2021-12-03 16:47:40 ampersam Burzum_At_Home: https://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/gnu-linux-crypto/ 2021-12-03 16:48:19 ampersam Burzum_At_Home: https://hawkeyemicrosystems.net/files/books/bashquickstart.pdf 2021-12-03 16:49:38 Burzum_At_Home Does this tell me what VM environment to use on my Debian install tomorrow? 2021-12-03 16:51:26 ampersam Burzum_At_Home no just general linux resources. 99% of the time with libvirt i just give it the image of the installer .iso and it just werks. 2021-12-03 16:52:06 ampersam https://archlinux.org/ not a fan of archlinux but they maintain a good wiki. 2021-12-03 16:52:53 ampersam https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ 2021-12-03 16:53:01 ampersam debian administrators handbook ^ 2021-12-03 16:54:54 Wotac debian is so ancient that there's a good chance of finding solutions to problems 2021-12-03 16:56:59 ampersam is it the oldest still-going linux distro? 2021-12-03 16:57:51 Wotac slackware is a couple of months older or something 2021-12-03 16:58:34 Wotac but i think debian userbase makes slackware userbase look like nothing 2021-12-03 17:00:18 Burzum_At_Home Remember using something called Crunchbang on a media laptop back in like 2012-2013, what was that based upon? 2021-12-03 17:01:17 Wotac https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Linux_Distribution_Timeline_21_10_2021.svg 2021-12-03 17:01:20 Wotac here are all of them 2021-12-03 17:05:15 Burzum_At_Home huh interesting, damn the work behind that one. 2021-12-03 17:05:25 Burzum_At_Home crunchbang debian based 2021-12-03 17:07:07 Wotac debian takes their role pretty seriously and they vote for every big change they plan to do, to see if the majority of developers want to move to that direction 2021-12-03 17:08:40 Burzum_At_Home Does that make it more outdated compared to distros like Ubuntu? 2021-12-03 17:11:33 Wotac debian stable can be outdated but you also won't boot it up one morning and see that it has crashed and damaged itself so it won't even boot anymore, it's very reliable 2021-12-03 17:12:25 leonardus Burzum_At_Home: I think something called bunsen labs replaced crunchbang 2021-12-03 17:13:26 Wotac there are backports so you can install newer stuff, then there are outside stuff like flatpak and appimage for newer stuff, then there are two other branches instead of stable if you want the whole system upgraded 2021-12-03 17:13:47 Wotac stable/testing/unstable 2021-12-03 17:15:44 Wotac so even if you want newer stuff you're not forced to leave debian 2021-12-03 17:15:59 Itaru Wotac: Whats the difference between unstable and testing? 2021-12-03 17:16:34 Wotac things come to testing after they have not caused trouble in unstable for a while 2021-12-03 17:17:50 Itaru So testing is more for users whereas unstable is for developers? 2021-12-03 17:20:25 Wotac https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/choosing.en.html 2021-12-03 17:21:11 Wotac testing should be a little more stable than unstable but they don't have security repo so security issues don't get a shortcut to come quicker 2021-12-03 17:21:31 ampersam Burzum_At_Home embrace the stable nature, program against libs and modules installed, be happy that they'll be there until the next big release. Makes python almost usable without venv lel 2021-12-03 17:23:45 ampersam If you need a program that requires a newer lib, just save yourself the headache of fucking with debian's libs and use /usr/local 2021-12-03 17:23:54 ← Itaru (~DaSH@ro2.flokinet.is) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2021-12-03 17:24:04 Wotac also partition /home to a separate partition so reinstalling the OS won't wipe /home 2021-12-03 17:24:17 → Itaru (~DaSH@ro2.flokinet.is) has joined #sqt 2021-12-03 17:27:31 ampersam good advice. separate /var and /usr isn't really a big deal IMO unless its a server with multiple discs 2021-12-03 17:31:11 ampersam wotac never used the cd/dvd install always used netinstall. 2021-12-03 17:31:19 ampersam does the dvd offer anything i might need? 2021-12-03 17:31:52 Wotac CD is netinstall, DVD is full stuff 2021-12-03 17:32:19 ampersam kk 2021-12-03 17:38:35 ampersam the alternative is fucking realtek 2021-12-03 17:38:42 ampersam euuuuugh 2021-12-03 17:38:53 ampersam please be intel fingers crossed i might want to install openbsd as well 2021-12-03 17:39:21 ampersam anyone here ever scavenged a shipped win10 install for running in a VM later? Can I even do this? 2021-12-03 17:39:44 ampersam since it has win10pro i kind of want to save it. its less jewy than win10home and i might be grateful i have windows later. 2021-12-03 17:43:10 Wotac i might be wrong but if you make a microsoft account to run the OEM windows i think it gets bound to your account and maybe can be found later if you just log in with the same account 2021-12-03 17:43:51 Itaru On that topic, what is the least-pozzed windows version? Is it ltsc? 2021-12-03 17:46:35 ampersam hopefully it comes with a key so i can verify without an online microshit account 2021-12-03 17:47:15 ampersam some incel on /g/ just asked how programmers are supposed to get girlfriends and some guy said > it was easier in my day when we had women doing jobs like tape librarian. 2021-12-03 17:47:20 ampersam based greybeard 2021-12-03 17:51:42 Wotac there's a non-zero chance it might not come with a license sticker but has some chip on the motherboard that stores the key or something 2021-12-03 17:52:38 ← Itaru (~DaSH@ro2.flokinet.is) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2021-12-03 17:53:06 → Itaru (~DaSH@ro2.flokinet.is) has joined #sqt 2021-12-03 17:58:43 royaljelly do people actually use acme? 2021-12-03 17:58:55 royaljelly i refuse to believe that people actually use acme 2021-12-03 18:02:32 Itaru I'm thinking about picking up a Synology 920 to use as a simple NAS and for nextcloud-related things. Is this a good idea? I want to make sure I'm not missing out on a better deal elsewhere or anything. 2021-12-03 18:33:51 ampersam https://fox8.com/news/can-a-city-declare-itself-a-republic-oroville-california-just-did/ 2021-12-03 18:33:57 ampersam FREEEEEDOOOM 2021-12-03 18:37:03 ampersam itaru how much are you paying? 2021-12-03 18:38:27 Itaru ampersam: probably around $550 seeing as that's how much it is on Amazon at the moment 2021-12-03 18:43:52 Wotac "Our European visitors are important to us." 2021-12-03 18:43:58 Wotac "This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws." 2021-12-03 18:44:42 ampersam Itaru idk i'd get a cheap embedded mini-itx board with a similar celeron. Those usually dont have fast m.2 drive options though 2021-12-03 18:45:09 ampersam and the case looks decent, sounds okay but those rinky-dink celerons aren't anything special. 2021-12-03 18:45:31 ampersam if you're not trying to poorfag-optimize it seems decent. 2021-12-03 18:46:28 ampersam asrock industrial mini-itx boards with soldered on celerons can be had cheap if you want to price a homebuild alternative 2021-12-03 18:48:31 Itaru Yeah it's certainly not a cost-efficient option, although the M.2 cache seems really nice in the event I end up filling it with HDDs 2021-12-03 18:49:55 Itaru I'll look into the mini-itx boards though, if it wouldn't be too large I might go with that instead of the Synology 2021-12-03 19:19:16 ampersam itaru $550 is pretty competitive you might shave some off but there's a time/price tradeoff 2021-12-03 19:46:46 Burzum_At_Home Who did i talk to earlier today about switching browser in win11? 2021-12-03 19:46:52 Burzum_At_Home found a better article about it 2021-12-03 19:46:52 Burzum_At_Home https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/3/22815209/microsoft-windows-11-default-browser-button-changes