2022-09-04 13:28:09	+mouses	trans women are women
2022-09-04 13:28:12	+fChanX	If we look at it logically.
2022-09-04 13:28:13	+mouses	in every way and shape
2022-09-04 13:28:19	+tyil	their chromosomes say different
2022-09-04 13:28:22	+fChanX	"A cat is a cat".
2022-09-04 13:28:36	+fChanX	See. This is what I mean about the invitation of debate.
2022-09-04 13:28:37	+mouses	tyil: lol that's like saying 'i figured out how to add numbers, now let me teach calc'
2022-09-04 13:28:54	+tyil	not really
2022-09-04 13:29:05	+fChanX	I don't like the chromosome argument because I find it disingenuous.
2022-09-04 13:29:08	+fChanX	tyil.
2022-09-04 13:29:10	+tyil	we've had a pretty clear concept of woman and man since the dawn of humanity
2022-09-04 13:29:13	+mouses	tyil: if you think 'chromosomes' are the major factor in a list of about 15,000 other things - you just need to get educated.
2022-09-04 13:29:30	+mouses	tyil: it's a HUGE spectrum
2022-09-04 13:29:36	+fChanX	If me and mouses could change our chromosomes, would that change your mind about our sex?
2022-09-04 13:29:40	+fChanX	tyil?
2022-09-04 13:29:54	+tyil	mouses: if you think a man can just become a woman by chopping of your dick and popping pills, you need a healthy dose of mental help
2022-09-04 13:30:06	+mouses	tyil: wow, nice casual transphobia
2022-09-04 13:30:17	+tyil	fChanX: if you can birth babies without having to take constant medication, perhaps
2022-09-04 13:30:29	+fChanX	That's what I find bad-faith about when people say that. I don't think people would change their mind even if we could and did change our chromosomes.
2022-09-04 13:30:29	+mouses	lol 'chopping of your dick' like really you have one joke lol
2022-09-04 13:30:44	+mouses	also off*, honey.  Learn to spell.
2022-09-04 13:30:50	+fChanX	tyil: If we could do all that then would you consider our sex changed?
2022-09-04 13:30:57	+fChanX	I find the whole thing emotional.
2022-09-04 13:31:03	+fChanX	But.
2022-09-04 13:31:14	+tyil	for sure fChanX: probably, I wouldn't know because we can't do that
2022-09-04 13:31:19	+mouses	tyil: if you think SRS is 'chopping something off' you really need to get some basic education, I can share how it actually works!
2022-09-04 13:31:27	+fChanX	tyil: What if we look really hot? (o_o%)
2022-09-04 13:31:30	+fChanX	xD
2022-09-04 13:31:30	+mouses	tyil: but you picked the most usual uncreative slur
2022-09-04 13:31:55	+fChanX	What if we had it stuck to our forehead? (o|o%)
2022-09-04 13:32:04	+mouses	fChanX: heh :)
2022-09-04 13:32:11	+tyil	hmm, that fucked up, "probably, I wouldn't know for sure because we can't do that" is wht I ment, fChanX 
2022-09-04 13:32:30	+fChanX	If we could do it, this is what I think would happen.
2022-09-04 13:32:32	+tyil	I dont think its about hotness, there's a wide variety in looks among women too
2022-09-04 13:32:40	+mouses	this guy sucks
2022-09-04 13:32:51	+fChanX	tyil finds some of us hot [confirmed].
2022-09-04 13:33:05	+mouses	fChanX: yes but is happy to drop insults and slurs
2022-09-04 13:33:07	+tyil	fChanX: I dated a troon for years
2022-09-04 13:33:07	+fChanX	#valid #pass #2hot #hedidntknow
2022-09-04 13:33:13	+mouses	I bet only if we 'pass'
2022-09-04 13:33:13	+fChanX	:O
2022-09-04 13:33:16	+mouses	jesus christ
2022-09-04 13:33:39	+mouses	tyil: is this how you behave to your family and friends out loud?
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2022-09-04 13:33:48	+tyil	I don't hate the people, I just don't agree that trans are "real" women
2022-09-04 13:33:58	+mouses	lol oh so I'm not 'real'
2022-09-04 13:34:00	+tyil	mouses: yes
2022-09-04 13:34:01	+mouses	me checks her ID
2022-09-04 13:34:02	+fChanX	But I think this: I think people who say that they "disagree or whatever" now, would still say it even if we did absolutely everything and all things were possible.
2022-09-04 13:34:03	* 	mouses looks down
2022-09-04 13:34:07	+fChanX	That's my point.
2022-09-04 13:34:09	* 	mouses looks up
2022-09-04 13:34:17	+mouses	nope still a woman sorry motherfucker
2022-09-04 13:34:17	+tyil	mouses: you're not a woman, you can drop the retarded non-arguments
2022-09-04 13:34:45	+fChanX	Does anyone disagree that trans women are trans women? (o_o )
2022-09-04 13:34:49	+mouses	tyil: hmmmm maybe I should get a new ID and new face and body, all of this says F/she/woman
2022-09-04 13:34:52	+tyil	fChanX: perhaps, but tht differs per person, no
2022-09-04 13:34:59	+fChanX	That.
2022-09-04 13:35:04	+fChanX	Is not sane.
2022-09-04 13:35:05	+mouses	tyil: thanks for the helpful hate speech
2022-09-04 13:35:06	+fChanX	Logically.
2022-09-04 13:35:23	+fChanX	How can something be both itself and not itself?
2022-09-04 13:35:32	+tyil	mouses: "if you think 'a letter on a piece of plastic' is the major factor in a list of about 15,000 other things - you just need to get educated.
2022-09-04 13:36:06	+mouses	tyil: okay so that's one factor, what about my passport?  what about my entire body?  what about who I have always been?  Those are all 'not real' too?
2022-09-04 13:36:08	+fChanX	That's my point about why I don't like the "trans women are women" unintentional debate starter.
2022-09-04 13:36:22	+mouses	fChanX: we are women and that's obvious and okay
2022-09-04 13:36:29	+tyil	mouses: your body is male, tho
2022-09-04 13:36:35	+fChanX	"Trans women are trans women" is like 1 == 1.
2022-09-04 13:36:37	+mouses	tyil: ummm what lol
2022-09-04 13:36:59	+mouses	tyil: If you only had any idea how stupid what you just said was, you'd maybe learn
2022-09-04 13:37:10	+fChanX	This is liteally a [live] example of why I don't like the people running around saying the "trans women are women" thing.
2022-09-04 13:37:15	+fChanX	The best way to deal with it?
2022-09-04 13:37:17	+tyil	if only you were mature enough to hold a conversation like fChanX, maybe you could teach
2022-09-04 13:37:23	+fChanX	Don't put forth the motion.
2022-09-04 13:37:25	+fChanX	At all.
2022-09-04 13:37:26	+fChanX	Ever.
2022-09-04 13:37:31	+tyil	rather than constant whining and complaining
2022-09-04 13:37:44	+fChanX	tyil is trying to get me to be the next one. :O
2022-09-04 13:37:50	+tyil	fChanX: I don't like it either, because it's incorrect
2022-09-04 13:38:00	+fChanX	I'll have to do my hair. (o_o%)>
2022-09-04 13:38:01	+mouses	tyil: hey manchild?  I understand it's sad that you have to deal with women who put your dick to shame.  It's okay.
2022-09-04 13:38:15	+fChanX	mouses.
2022-09-04 13:38:20	+mouses	you'll become a big boy someday, maybe go touch some grass
2022-09-04 13:38:38	+mouses	fChanX: I know lol sorry
2022-09-04 13:38:42	+mouses	salty bitch sometimes :)
2022-09-04 13:38:51	* 	mouses picks a better flavor
2022-09-04 13:38:58	+fChanX	That's the sort of thing I meant about how people of "minority groups" are, by default, like ambassadors for their "minority group".
2022-09-04 13:39:03	+tyil	and this is why most people despise troons, people like mouses who can't behave at any point in their lives
2022-09-04 13:39:04	+fChanX	Saying that doesn't help.
2022-09-04 13:39:10	+fChanX	It hurts all trans women.
2022-09-04 13:39:12	+fChanX	All.
2022-09-04 13:39:16	+mouses	tyil: hey can you stop using a slur?
2022-09-04 13:39:25	+mouses	before I ban you and report you to staff?
2022-09-04 13:39:30	+mouses	that would be great
2022-09-04 13:39:34	+fChanX	tyil: Do you have a cat? (o_o )
2022-09-04 13:39:54	+tyil	mouses: can you stop being a dumb little fuck that only tries to attack my character rather than engaging in an actual discussion
2022-09-04 13:40:04	+fChanX	But do you have a cat?
2022-09-04 13:40:13	+fChanX	o_o
2022-09-04 13:40:16	+tyil	if you read some backlog you may see that I can hold an honest conversation with fChanX, youre the one spouting garbage at me
2022-09-04 13:40:18	+mouses	tyil: sure okay try discussion without slurs and insults and being a transphobe
2022-09-04 13:40:22	+mouses	what do you have to add?
2022-09-04 13:40:31	+fChanX	This annoys me.
2022-09-04 13:40:33	+tyil	fChanX: I will have a cat later today
2022-09-04 13:40:37	+fChanX	:O
2022-09-04 13:40:38	+fChanX	Sold.
2022-09-04 13:40:50	+fChanX	I'll move in Tuesday.
2022-09-04 13:40:57	+tyil	fChanX: people like mouses annoy everyone, they're pathetic and stifle discussion, which will only lead to thing getting worse for everyone
2022-09-04 13:41:05	+tyil	fChanX: I do happen to have spare bedrooms ;)
2022-09-04 13:41:12	+tyil	but Im all the way in yurop
2022-09-04 13:41:16	+fChanX	v_v
2022-09-04 13:41:23	+fChanX	I'm in gerland.
2022-09-04 13:41:29	+mnrmnaugh	fChanX buy me dis https://www.ebay.com/itm/114596306111
2022-09-04 13:41:29	+pinyap	(mnrmnaugh) ^ MRE Lot 5 Chocolate Protein Drink Instant Powder   | eBay
2022-09-04 13:41:35	+fChanX	But this is what annoys me about "activism" etc.
2022-09-04 13:41:45	+fChanX	It *HURTS* us.
2022-09-04 13:42:06	+fChanX	And it starts fires (debates) that DIDN'T need to even happen.
2022-09-04 13:42:11	+mnrmnaugh	i fucking love these things
2022-09-04 13:42:13	+fChanX	If people would just chill. >_>
2022-09-04 13:42:21	+tyil	good activism wouldn't, but most "activism" is just people pretending to be holier than thou, spout insults for "discussion", and when the favour is returned they go cry about banning people
2022-09-04 13:42:34	+mnrmnaugh	BUT BLACK LIVES MATTER!!
2022-09-04 13:42:46	+fChanX	<_<<<<<<<<<<
2022-09-04 13:42:46	+mouses	oh for sure, we should just be quiet and small when motherfuckers like tyil literally use hateful slurs and repeat language that results in your OWN FUCKING SISTERS GETTING BEATEN AND HURT fChanX 
2022-09-04 13:42:49	+mouses	sounds great
2022-09-04 13:42:51	+tyil	it's pathetic and just makes people dislike them, and human nature likes to group people together
2022-09-04 13:42:56	+fChanX	There's another one that really just causes me problems.
2022-09-04 13:43:06	+tyil	so it hurts everyone in the group you supposedly wish to stand for
2022-09-04 13:43:06	+fChanX	Like.
2022-09-04 13:43:10	+fChanX	On the ground.
2022-09-04 13:43:13	+fChanX	It's like this.
2022-09-04 13:43:17	+mnrmnaugh	lol some cunt bitched at me while trying to go home with a sign last summer
2022-09-04 13:43:18	+fChanX	I want the hormones.
2022-09-04 13:43:19	+mouses	tyil: do you even have the brain power in that fucked up head to realize that you came in slurring and then rant about 'wanting debate' and conversation?
2022-09-04 13:43:24	+fChanX	I want to wear what I want.
2022-09-04 13:43:33	+fChanX	I want to blend in.
2022-09-04 13:43:39	+fChanX	I want to be 'normal' whatever that is.
2022-09-04 13:43:41	+mouses	tyil: do you even understand what you did wrong?
2022-09-04 13:43:50	+mnrmnaugh	>HEY THIS IS OUUUUUUUUURRRRR SIDE OF THEROTARY MAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAANNNNNNNN
2022-09-04 13:43:55	+fChanX	I want to not be attacked physically.
2022-09-04 13:43:56	+tyil	mouses: if you could read back you could see yourself starting with the personal attacks
2022-09-04 13:44:02	+fChanX	I want to not be harrassed.
2022-09-04 13:44:15	+fChanX	And that's sort of the fundamentals on the ground.
2022-09-04 13:44:23	+mouses	tyil: I have.  So, that word you keep using?  Where did you learn that, and why do you think it's okay?
2022-09-04 13:44:35	+mouses	fChanX: +++
2022-09-04 13:44:40	+mnrmnaugh	im over here waving a sign for the fucking town council, and you really want to be a cunt about that blm shit
2022-09-04 13:44:48	+fChanX	I don't like being some blokes fetish either but like that seems to be something that should be dealt with at the interpersonal level.
2022-09-04 13:44:55	+fChanX	But.
2022-09-04 13:45:04	+fChanX	The activism isn't helping me with any of that.
2022-09-04 13:45:09	+mouses	fChanX: chasers are a thing, I try to find it flattering vs negative
2022-09-04 13:45:18	+mouses	but literally look at the words he chose to use
2022-09-04 13:45:22	+fChanX	But where is the line?
2022-09-04 13:45:22	+mouses	it's so obvious
2022-09-04 13:45:30	+mnrmnaugh	fChanX start burning down random flats you say
2022-09-04 13:45:41	+tyil	fChanX: the trans "activisim" is hurting my crossdressing capabilities more than helping them, which is another reason to despise it
2022-09-04 13:45:45	+fChanX	I will use like progressive language to say what I'm asking.
2022-09-04 13:45:55	+mnrmnaugh	oh shit she is a terrorist! quick call the bobbies!
2022-09-04 13:45:57	+fChanX	I think the idea of "chasers" is odd.
2022-09-04 13:46:12	+mouses	tyil: ahhh, another insult thinly veiled.  Lol 8kun or whatever is on the phone and wants their village idiot back
2022-09-04 13:46:13	+fChanX	It seems to be sort of like a "spectrum" or whatever.
2022-09-04 13:46:29	+mnrmnaugh	lol tyil
2022-09-04 13:46:35	+fChanX	tyil: lol
2022-09-04 13:46:50	+fChanX	See. I see a difference between crossdressing and trans women or whatever.
2022-09-04 13:46:54	+mouses	fChanX: I've seen a wide spectrum of it, from really depressed cis men who never will have the courage to admit what they want, to people who just honestly have a thing for women
2022-09-04 13:47:00	+mouses	fChanX: of course!!!
2022-09-04 13:47:02	+tyil	mouses: that doesn't even make sense, you'd honestly do well to step away from the computer and take some of your own advice of "touching grass"
2022-09-04 13:47:04	+fChanX	Not only hormonally, but like philosophically.
2022-09-04 13:47:06	+mnrmnaugh	tyil but do you do it in a false beard ala monty python
2022-09-04 13:47:15	+mouses	drag != trans jesus christ what is this, 1970?
2022-09-04 13:47:33	+fChanX	mouses: Attacking and mocking people doesn't change minds.
2022-09-04 13:47:40	+mnrmnaugh	that whole cis thing is retarded tbh
2022-09-04 13:47:41	+mouses	tyil: So now the slur you kept chanting does not 'make sense'.  Do you remember the slur you used?
2022-09-04 13:47:46	+fChanX	It hurts our image and public opinion of us.
2022-09-04 13:47:51	+tyil	fChanX: there is a difference, but they get lumped together thanks to the whole lgbtq movement
2022-09-04 13:47:55	+mouses	mnrmnaugh: Not at all.  Most people are cisgender.  That's awesome and fine.
2022-09-04 13:48:04	+fChanX	tyil: You mean...
2022-09-04 13:48:05	+mnrmnaugh	>.>
2022-09-04 13:48:07	+mouses	I mean pick a word
2022-09-04 13:48:10	+tyil	and then people like mouses are by far the worst possible representation you could have, yet they are the most prevalent
2022-09-04 13:48:26	+mouses	tyil: still can't remember the slur you were chanting or address it?
2022-09-04 13:48:32	+mnrmnaugh	mouses i pick the word niggardly and coward
2022-09-04 13:48:36	+mouses	yet claim you want 'conversation' and 'debate'
2022-09-04 13:48:49	+fChanX	tyil: LGBTQICDEFHJKMNOPRSUVWXYZ++
2022-09-04 13:48:49	+tyil	mouses: you cried about wanting to get me banned for it, so success, you've stifled discussion once more!
2022-09-04 13:48:52	+fChanX	It's that now.
2022-09-04 13:48:54	+mouses	mnrmnaugh: yeah but you're edgy and annoying and that's why I love ya :)
2022-09-04 13:48:56	+fChanX	Oh! And a 7.
2022-09-04 13:49:05	+fChanX	It's version 7.
2022-09-04 13:49:12	+mouses	tyil: You're still not answering.
2022-09-04 13:49:14	+mnrmnaugh	i am pretty pissed off i missed the pride rally in town
2022-09-04 13:49:17	+fChanX	LGBTQICDEFHJKMNOPRSUVWXYZ++ 7.0
2022-09-04 13:49:35	+mnrmnaugh	it is not really my thing, but i support it
2022-09-04 13:49:39	+fChanX	I don't mind edgy.
2022-09-04 13:49:41	+mouses	fChanX: fully automated trans luxury space communism 9.3 over here
2022-09-04 13:49:43	+fChanX	Edgy can be fun.
2022-09-04 13:49:50	+mouses	fChanX: It can be, but don't be lazy
2022-09-04 13:49:58	+mouses	I mean come up with more than one joke
2022-09-04 13:50:00	+mnrmnaugh	hell we fly the rainbow flag onthe capital building here
2022-09-04 13:50:01	+fChanX	Yeah. Only if it goes on for long enough. (o_o )
2022-09-04 13:50:04	+fChanX	Edgy.
2022-09-04 13:50:07	+fChanX	( o_o)
2022-09-04 13:50:17	+mouses	fChanX: it sells well and can be fun
2022-09-04 13:50:26	+mnrmnaugh	lol space communism, i forgot that was a meme
2022-09-04 13:50:37	+fChanX	I wouldn't sell edgy services but I heard it's fun.
2022-09-04 13:51:20	+fChanX	"Edgy: Days and days of fun! *****" - The Guardian
2022-09-04 13:51:37	+mouses	tyil: I'd gladly ban you right now for using an awful slur you learned from whatever fucked up dark corner of the internet gets you off, but I'd have to call a vote and do things, and frankly little man?  You don't really deserve my effort.  Have fun being hateful and delighting in trying to hurt others.  I bet your mom would be proud of what you
2022-09-04 13:51:37	+mouses	just did today.
2022-09-04 13:52:00	+fChanX	/dark corner/
2022-09-04 13:52:05	+fChanX	*gust of wind noises*
2022-09-04 13:52:07	+fChanX	o_o
2022-09-04 13:52:08	+fChanX	Look.
2022-09-04 13:52:16	+tyil	mouses: when you grow up, I'll gladly have the discussion with you, right now you can't even compose yourself for two sentences straight
2022-09-04 13:52:27	+mouses	fChanX: for real, the internet is amazing at radicalizing these manchilds
2022-09-04 13:52:27	+fChanX	mouses: If people don't like us then we'll have a hard time and so will all the other trans women.
2022-09-04 13:52:35	+mnrmnaugh	well that was rude
2022-09-04 13:52:48	+mnrmnaugh	tyil fite me
2022-09-04 13:52:58	+mouses	mnrmnaugh: pro tip - women don't have to be nice to people who abuse us
2022-09-04 13:53:11	+mouses	we're allowed to stand up for ourselves and show how much stronger we are
2022-09-04 13:53:16	+fChanX	What radicalises people more than anything is being pushed out of places and being told they're bad human beings.
2022-09-04 13:53:18	+mnrmnaugh	ye with you on that
2022-09-04 13:53:25	+fChanX	tyil seems alright.
2022-09-04 13:53:29	+mouses	fChanX: the slurs he used made him a bad human being today
2022-09-04 13:53:30	+fChanX	There are disagreements.
2022-09-04 13:53:35	+mouses	but I bet he can grow and improve
2022-09-04 13:53:36	+fChanX	That's okay.
2022-09-04 13:53:45	+mouses	human dignity is not a subject for debate or disagreement
2022-09-04 13:53:49	+mouses	it's so fucking simple
2022-09-04 13:53:50	+fChanX	If we get along then that helps us trans.
2022-09-04 13:53:56	+fChanX	Every single one of us.
2022-09-04 13:54:00	+mouses	TREAT OTHERS THE WAY THEY WANT TO BE TREATED
2022-09-04 13:54:05	+mnrmnaugh	mouses++
2022-09-04 13:54:07	+mouses	done, QED, no issues
2022-09-04 13:54:10	+mnrmnaugh	mouses++
2022-09-04 13:54:14	+fChanX	mouses: Not everyone would like to see that world. :/
2022-09-04 13:54:16	+fChanX	xD
2022-09-04 13:54:23	+fChanX	Allegedly *
2022-09-04 13:54:31	+fChanX	Couldn't resist. :x
2022-09-04 13:54:39	+mouses	fChanX: lol reminded me of my favorite letterkenny sketch :P
2022-09-04 13:54:54	+mnrmnaugh	hahaha that fucking show
2022-09-04 13:55:01	+mouses	mnrmnaugh: 10/10
2022-09-04 13:55:17	+fChanX	Well I liked tyil anyway. (v_v)