2022-09-04 13:28:09 +mouses trans women are women 2022-09-04 13:28:12 +fChanX If we look at it logically. 2022-09-04 13:28:13 +mouses in every way and shape 2022-09-04 13:28:19 +tyil their chromosomes say different 2022-09-04 13:28:22 +fChanX "A cat is a cat". 2022-09-04 13:28:36 +fChanX See. This is what I mean about the invitation of debate. 2022-09-04 13:28:37 +mouses tyil: lol that's like saying 'i figured out how to add numbers, now let me teach calc' 2022-09-04 13:28:54 +tyil not really 2022-09-04 13:29:05 +fChanX I don't like the chromosome argument because I find it disingenuous. 2022-09-04 13:29:08 +fChanX tyil. 2022-09-04 13:29:10 +tyil we've had a pretty clear concept of woman and man since the dawn of humanity 2022-09-04 13:29:13 +mouses tyil: if you think 'chromosomes' are the major factor in a list of about 15,000 other things - you just need to get educated. 2022-09-04 13:29:30 +mouses tyil: it's a HUGE spectrum 2022-09-04 13:29:36 +fChanX If me and mouses could change our chromosomes, would that change your mind about our sex? 2022-09-04 13:29:40 +fChanX tyil? 2022-09-04 13:29:54 +tyil mouses: if you think a man can just become a woman by chopping of your dick and popping pills, you need a healthy dose of mental help 2022-09-04 13:30:06 +mouses tyil: wow, nice casual transphobia 2022-09-04 13:30:17 +tyil fChanX: if you can birth babies without having to take constant medication, perhaps 2022-09-04 13:30:29 +fChanX That's what I find bad-faith about when people say that. I don't think people would change their mind even if we could and did change our chromosomes. 2022-09-04 13:30:29 +mouses lol 'chopping of your dick' like really you have one joke lol 2022-09-04 13:30:44 +mouses also off*, honey. Learn to spell. 2022-09-04 13:30:50 +fChanX tyil: If we could do all that then would you consider our sex changed? 2022-09-04 13:30:57 +fChanX I find the whole thing emotional. 2022-09-04 13:31:03 +fChanX But. 2022-09-04 13:31:14 +tyil for sure fChanX: probably, I wouldn't know because we can't do that 2022-09-04 13:31:19 +mouses tyil: if you think SRS is 'chopping something off' you really need to get some basic education, I can share how it actually works! 2022-09-04 13:31:27 +fChanX tyil: What if we look really hot? (o_o%) 2022-09-04 13:31:30 +fChanX xD 2022-09-04 13:31:30 +mouses tyil: but you picked the most usual uncreative slur 2022-09-04 13:31:55 +fChanX What if we had it stuck to our forehead? (o|o%) 2022-09-04 13:32:04 +mouses fChanX: heh :) 2022-09-04 13:32:11 +tyil hmm, that fucked up, "probably, I wouldn't know for sure because we can't do that" is wht I ment, fChanX 2022-09-04 13:32:30 +fChanX If we could do it, this is what I think would happen. 2022-09-04 13:32:32 +tyil I dont think its about hotness, there's a wide variety in looks among women too 2022-09-04 13:32:40 +mouses this guy sucks 2022-09-04 13:32:51 +fChanX tyil finds some of us hot [confirmed]. 2022-09-04 13:33:05 +mouses fChanX: yes but is happy to drop insults and slurs 2022-09-04 13:33:07 +tyil fChanX: I dated a troon for years 2022-09-04 13:33:07 +fChanX #valid #pass #2hot #hedidntknow 2022-09-04 13:33:13 +mouses I bet only if we 'pass' 2022-09-04 13:33:13 +fChanX :O 2022-09-04 13:33:16 +mouses jesus christ 2022-09-04 13:33:39 +mouses tyil: is this how you behave to your family and friends out loud? 2022-09-04 13:33:47 ← \subline (~join_subl@135-23-248-211.cpe.pppoe.ca) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2022-09-04 13:33:48 +tyil I don't hate the people, I just don't agree that trans are "real" women 2022-09-04 13:33:58 +mouses lol oh so I'm not 'real' 2022-09-04 13:34:00 +tyil mouses: yes 2022-09-04 13:34:01 +mouses me checks her ID 2022-09-04 13:34:02 +fChanX But I think this: I think people who say that they "disagree or whatever" now, would still say it even if we did absolutely everything and all things were possible. 2022-09-04 13:34:03 * mouses looks down 2022-09-04 13:34:07 +fChanX That's my point. 2022-09-04 13:34:09 * mouses looks up 2022-09-04 13:34:17 +mouses nope still a woman sorry motherfucker 2022-09-04 13:34:17 +tyil mouses: you're not a woman, you can drop the retarded non-arguments 2022-09-04 13:34:45 +fChanX Does anyone disagree that trans women are trans women? (o_o ) 2022-09-04 13:34:49 +mouses tyil: hmmmm maybe I should get a new ID and new face and body, all of this says F/she/woman 2022-09-04 13:34:52 +tyil fChanX: perhaps, but tht differs per person, no 2022-09-04 13:34:59 +fChanX That. 2022-09-04 13:35:04 +fChanX Is not sane. 2022-09-04 13:35:05 +mouses tyil: thanks for the helpful hate speech 2022-09-04 13:35:06 +fChanX Logically. 2022-09-04 13:35:23 +fChanX How can something be both itself and not itself? 2022-09-04 13:35:32 +tyil mouses: "if you think 'a letter on a piece of plastic' is the major factor in a list of about 15,000 other things - you just need to get educated. 2022-09-04 13:36:06 +mouses tyil: okay so that's one factor, what about my passport? what about my entire body? what about who I have always been? Those are all 'not real' too? 2022-09-04 13:36:08 +fChanX That's my point about why I don't like the "trans women are women" unintentional debate starter. 2022-09-04 13:36:22 +mouses fChanX: we are women and that's obvious and okay 2022-09-04 13:36:29 +tyil mouses: your body is male, tho 2022-09-04 13:36:35 +fChanX "Trans women are trans women" is like 1 == 1. 2022-09-04 13:36:37 +mouses tyil: ummm what lol 2022-09-04 13:36:59 +mouses tyil: If you only had any idea how stupid what you just said was, you'd maybe learn 2022-09-04 13:37:10 +fChanX This is liteally a [live] example of why I don't like the people running around saying the "trans women are women" thing. 2022-09-04 13:37:15 +fChanX The best way to deal with it? 2022-09-04 13:37:17 +tyil if only you were mature enough to hold a conversation like fChanX, maybe you could teach 2022-09-04 13:37:23 +fChanX Don't put forth the motion. 2022-09-04 13:37:25 +fChanX At all. 2022-09-04 13:37:26 +fChanX Ever. 2022-09-04 13:37:31 +tyil rather than constant whining and complaining 2022-09-04 13:37:44 +fChanX tyil is trying to get me to be the next one. :O 2022-09-04 13:37:50 +tyil fChanX: I don't like it either, because it's incorrect 2022-09-04 13:38:00 +fChanX I'll have to do my hair. (o_o%)> 2022-09-04 13:38:01 +mouses tyil: hey manchild? I understand it's sad that you have to deal with women who put your dick to shame. It's okay. 2022-09-04 13:38:15 +fChanX mouses. 2022-09-04 13:38:20 +mouses you'll become a big boy someday, maybe go touch some grass 2022-09-04 13:38:38 +mouses fChanX: I know lol sorry 2022-09-04 13:38:42 +mouses salty bitch sometimes :) 2022-09-04 13:38:51 * mouses picks a better flavor 2022-09-04 13:38:58 +fChanX That's the sort of thing I meant about how people of "minority groups" are, by default, like ambassadors for their "minority group". 2022-09-04 13:39:03 +tyil and this is why most people despise troons, people like mouses who can't behave at any point in their lives 2022-09-04 13:39:04 +fChanX Saying that doesn't help. 2022-09-04 13:39:10 +fChanX It hurts all trans women. 2022-09-04 13:39:12 +fChanX All. 2022-09-04 13:39:16 +mouses tyil: hey can you stop using a slur? 2022-09-04 13:39:25 +mouses before I ban you and report you to staff? 2022-09-04 13:39:30 +mouses that would be great 2022-09-04 13:39:34 +fChanX tyil: Do you have a cat? (o_o ) 2022-09-04 13:39:54 +tyil mouses: can you stop being a dumb little fuck that only tries to attack my character rather than engaging in an actual discussion 2022-09-04 13:40:04 +fChanX But do you have a cat? 2022-09-04 13:40:13 +fChanX o_o 2022-09-04 13:40:16 +tyil if you read some backlog you may see that I can hold an honest conversation with fChanX, youre the one spouting garbage at me 2022-09-04 13:40:18 +mouses tyil: sure okay try discussion without slurs and insults and being a transphobe 2022-09-04 13:40:22 +mouses what do you have to add? 2022-09-04 13:40:31 +fChanX This annoys me. 2022-09-04 13:40:33 +tyil fChanX: I will have a cat later today 2022-09-04 13:40:37 +fChanX :O 2022-09-04 13:40:38 +fChanX Sold. 2022-09-04 13:40:50 +fChanX I'll move in Tuesday. 2022-09-04 13:40:57 +tyil fChanX: people like mouses annoy everyone, they're pathetic and stifle discussion, which will only lead to thing getting worse for everyone 2022-09-04 13:41:05 +tyil fChanX: I do happen to have spare bedrooms ;) 2022-09-04 13:41:12 +tyil but Im all the way in yurop 2022-09-04 13:41:16 +fChanX v_v 2022-09-04 13:41:23 +fChanX I'm in gerland. 2022-09-04 13:41:29 +mnrmnaugh fChanX buy me dis https://www.ebay.com/itm/114596306111 2022-09-04 13:41:29 +pinyap (mnrmnaugh) ^ MRE Lot 5 Chocolate Protein Drink Instant Powder | eBay 2022-09-04 13:41:35 +fChanX But this is what annoys me about "activism" etc. 2022-09-04 13:41:45 +fChanX It *HURTS* us. 2022-09-04 13:42:06 +fChanX And it starts fires (debates) that DIDN'T need to even happen. 2022-09-04 13:42:11 +mnrmnaugh i fucking love these things 2022-09-04 13:42:13 +fChanX If people would just chill. >_> 2022-09-04 13:42:21 +tyil good activism wouldn't, but most "activism" is just people pretending to be holier than thou, spout insults for "discussion", and when the favour is returned they go cry about banning people 2022-09-04 13:42:34 +mnrmnaugh BUT BLACK LIVES MATTER!! 2022-09-04 13:42:46 +fChanX <_<<<<<<<<<< 2022-09-04 13:42:46 +mouses oh for sure, we should just be quiet and small when motherfuckers like tyil literally use hateful slurs and repeat language that results in your OWN FUCKING SISTERS GETTING BEATEN AND HURT fChanX 2022-09-04 13:42:49 +mouses sounds great 2022-09-04 13:42:51 +tyil it's pathetic and just makes people dislike them, and human nature likes to group people together 2022-09-04 13:42:56 +fChanX There's another one that really just causes me problems. 2022-09-04 13:43:06 +tyil so it hurts everyone in the group you supposedly wish to stand for 2022-09-04 13:43:06 +fChanX Like. 2022-09-04 13:43:10 +fChanX On the ground. 2022-09-04 13:43:13 +fChanX It's like this. 2022-09-04 13:43:17 +mnrmnaugh lol some cunt bitched at me while trying to go home with a sign last summer 2022-09-04 13:43:18 +fChanX I want the hormones. 2022-09-04 13:43:19 +mouses tyil: do you even have the brain power in that fucked up head to realize that you came in slurring and then rant about 'wanting debate' and conversation? 2022-09-04 13:43:24 +fChanX I want to wear what I want. 2022-09-04 13:43:33 +fChanX I want to blend in. 2022-09-04 13:43:39 +fChanX I want to be 'normal' whatever that is. 2022-09-04 13:43:41 +mouses tyil: do you even understand what you did wrong? 2022-09-04 13:43:50 +mnrmnaugh >HEY THIS IS OUUUUUUUUURRRRR SIDE OF THEROTARY MAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAANNNNNNNN 2022-09-04 13:43:55 +fChanX I want to not be attacked physically. 2022-09-04 13:43:56 +tyil mouses: if you could read back you could see yourself starting with the personal attacks 2022-09-04 13:44:02 +fChanX I want to not be harrassed. 2022-09-04 13:44:15 +fChanX And that's sort of the fundamentals on the ground. 2022-09-04 13:44:23 +mouses tyil: I have. So, that word you keep using? Where did you learn that, and why do you think it's okay? 2022-09-04 13:44:35 +mouses fChanX: +++ 2022-09-04 13:44:40 +mnrmnaugh im over here waving a sign for the fucking town council, and you really want to be a cunt about that blm shit 2022-09-04 13:44:48 +fChanX I don't like being some blokes fetish either but like that seems to be something that should be dealt with at the interpersonal level. 2022-09-04 13:44:55 +fChanX But. 2022-09-04 13:45:04 +fChanX The activism isn't helping me with any of that. 2022-09-04 13:45:09 +mouses fChanX: chasers are a thing, I try to find it flattering vs negative 2022-09-04 13:45:18 +mouses but literally look at the words he chose to use 2022-09-04 13:45:22 +fChanX But where is the line? 2022-09-04 13:45:22 +mouses it's so obvious 2022-09-04 13:45:30 +mnrmnaugh fChanX start burning down random flats you say 2022-09-04 13:45:41 +tyil fChanX: the trans "activisim" is hurting my crossdressing capabilities more than helping them, which is another reason to despise it 2022-09-04 13:45:45 +fChanX I will use like progressive language to say what I'm asking. 2022-09-04 13:45:55 +mnrmnaugh oh shit she is a terrorist! quick call the bobbies! 2022-09-04 13:45:57 +fChanX I think the idea of "chasers" is odd. 2022-09-04 13:46:12 +mouses tyil: ahhh, another insult thinly veiled. Lol 8kun or whatever is on the phone and wants their village idiot back 2022-09-04 13:46:13 +fChanX It seems to be sort of like a "spectrum" or whatever. 2022-09-04 13:46:29 +mnrmnaugh lol tyil 2022-09-04 13:46:35 +fChanX tyil: lol 2022-09-04 13:46:50 +fChanX See. I see a difference between crossdressing and trans women or whatever. 2022-09-04 13:46:54 +mouses fChanX: I've seen a wide spectrum of it, from really depressed cis men who never will have the courage to admit what they want, to people who just honestly have a thing for women 2022-09-04 13:47:00 +mouses fChanX: of course!!! 2022-09-04 13:47:02 +tyil mouses: that doesn't even make sense, you'd honestly do well to step away from the computer and take some of your own advice of "touching grass" 2022-09-04 13:47:04 +fChanX Not only hormonally, but like philosophically. 2022-09-04 13:47:06 +mnrmnaugh tyil but do you do it in a false beard ala monty python 2022-09-04 13:47:15 +mouses drag != trans jesus christ what is this, 1970? 2022-09-04 13:47:33 +fChanX mouses: Attacking and mocking people doesn't change minds. 2022-09-04 13:47:40 +mnrmnaugh that whole cis thing is retarded tbh 2022-09-04 13:47:41 +mouses tyil: So now the slur you kept chanting does not 'make sense'. Do you remember the slur you used? 2022-09-04 13:47:46 +fChanX It hurts our image and public opinion of us. 2022-09-04 13:47:51 +tyil fChanX: there is a difference, but they get lumped together thanks to the whole lgbtq movement 2022-09-04 13:47:55 +mouses mnrmnaugh: Not at all. Most people are cisgender. That's awesome and fine. 2022-09-04 13:48:04 +fChanX tyil: You mean... 2022-09-04 13:48:05 +mnrmnaugh >.> 2022-09-04 13:48:07 +mouses I mean pick a word 2022-09-04 13:48:10 +tyil and then people like mouses are by far the worst possible representation you could have, yet they are the most prevalent 2022-09-04 13:48:26 +mouses tyil: still can't remember the slur you were chanting or address it? 2022-09-04 13:48:32 +mnrmnaugh mouses i pick the word niggardly and coward 2022-09-04 13:48:36 +mouses yet claim you want 'conversation' and 'debate' 2022-09-04 13:48:49 +fChanX tyil: LGBTQICDEFHJKMNOPRSUVWXYZ++ 2022-09-04 13:48:49 +tyil mouses: you cried about wanting to get me banned for it, so success, you've stifled discussion once more! 2022-09-04 13:48:52 +fChanX It's that now. 2022-09-04 13:48:54 +mouses mnrmnaugh: yeah but you're edgy and annoying and that's why I love ya :) 2022-09-04 13:48:56 +fChanX Oh! And a 7. 2022-09-04 13:49:05 +fChanX It's version 7. 2022-09-04 13:49:12 +mouses tyil: You're still not answering. 2022-09-04 13:49:14 +mnrmnaugh i am pretty pissed off i missed the pride rally in town 2022-09-04 13:49:17 +fChanX LGBTQICDEFHJKMNOPRSUVWXYZ++ 7.0 2022-09-04 13:49:35 +mnrmnaugh it is not really my thing, but i support it 2022-09-04 13:49:39 +fChanX I don't mind edgy. 2022-09-04 13:49:41 +mouses fChanX: fully automated trans luxury space communism 9.3 over here 2022-09-04 13:49:43 +fChanX Edgy can be fun. 2022-09-04 13:49:50 +mouses fChanX: It can be, but don't be lazy 2022-09-04 13:49:58 +mouses I mean come up with more than one joke 2022-09-04 13:50:00 +mnrmnaugh hell we fly the rainbow flag onthe capital building here 2022-09-04 13:50:01 +fChanX Yeah. Only if it goes on for long enough. (o_o ) 2022-09-04 13:50:04 +fChanX Edgy. 2022-09-04 13:50:07 +fChanX ( o_o) 2022-09-04 13:50:17 +mouses fChanX: it sells well and can be fun 2022-09-04 13:50:26 +mnrmnaugh lol space communism, i forgot that was a meme 2022-09-04 13:50:37 +fChanX I wouldn't sell edgy services but I heard it's fun. 2022-09-04 13:51:20 +fChanX "Edgy: Days and days of fun! *****" - The Guardian 2022-09-04 13:51:37 +mouses tyil: I'd gladly ban you right now for using an awful slur you learned from whatever fucked up dark corner of the internet gets you off, but I'd have to call a vote and do things, and frankly little man? You don't really deserve my effort. Have fun being hateful and delighting in trying to hurt others. I bet your mom would be proud of what you 2022-09-04 13:51:37 +mouses just did today. 2022-09-04 13:52:00 +fChanX /dark corner/ 2022-09-04 13:52:05 +fChanX *gust of wind noises* 2022-09-04 13:52:07 +fChanX o_o 2022-09-04 13:52:08 +fChanX Look. 2022-09-04 13:52:16 +tyil mouses: when you grow up, I'll gladly have the discussion with you, right now you can't even compose yourself for two sentences straight 2022-09-04 13:52:27 +mouses fChanX: for real, the internet is amazing at radicalizing these manchilds 2022-09-04 13:52:27 +fChanX mouses: If people don't like us then we'll have a hard time and so will all the other trans women. 2022-09-04 13:52:35 +mnrmnaugh well that was rude 2022-09-04 13:52:48 +mnrmnaugh tyil fite me 2022-09-04 13:52:58 +mouses mnrmnaugh: pro tip - women don't have to be nice to people who abuse us 2022-09-04 13:53:11 +mouses we're allowed to stand up for ourselves and show how much stronger we are 2022-09-04 13:53:16 +fChanX What radicalises people more than anything is being pushed out of places and being told they're bad human beings. 2022-09-04 13:53:18 +mnrmnaugh ye with you on that 2022-09-04 13:53:25 +fChanX tyil seems alright. 2022-09-04 13:53:29 +mouses fChanX: the slurs he used made him a bad human being today 2022-09-04 13:53:30 +fChanX There are disagreements. 2022-09-04 13:53:35 +mouses but I bet he can grow and improve 2022-09-04 13:53:36 +fChanX That's okay. 2022-09-04 13:53:45 +mouses human dignity is not a subject for debate or disagreement 2022-09-04 13:53:49 +mouses it's so fucking simple 2022-09-04 13:53:50 +fChanX If we get along then that helps us trans. 2022-09-04 13:53:56 +fChanX Every single one of us. 2022-09-04 13:54:00 +mouses TREAT OTHERS THE WAY THEY WANT TO BE TREATED 2022-09-04 13:54:05 +mnrmnaugh mouses++ 2022-09-04 13:54:07 +mouses done, QED, no issues 2022-09-04 13:54:10 +mnrmnaugh mouses++ 2022-09-04 13:54:14 +fChanX mouses: Not everyone would like to see that world. :/ 2022-09-04 13:54:16 +fChanX xD 2022-09-04 13:54:23 +fChanX Allegedly * 2022-09-04 13:54:31 +fChanX Couldn't resist. :x 2022-09-04 13:54:39 +mouses fChanX: lol reminded me of my favorite letterkenny sketch :P 2022-09-04 13:54:54 +mnrmnaugh hahaha that fucking show 2022-09-04 13:55:01 +mouses mnrmnaugh: 10/10 2022-09-04 13:55:17 +fChanX Well I liked tyil anyway. 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