2020-04-03 10:42:32	+tyil	this fucking guy
2020-04-03 10:42:37	+tyil	cats 1 file to another file
2020-04-03 10:42:45	+tyil	I wonder if he knows about `cp`
2020-04-03 10:43:12	+tyil	also, shebang is inconsistent to the rest of the project
2020-04-03 10:43:24	+japanoise	oof
2020-04-03 10:43:31	+tyil	uses exit instead of return from main (which is what the rest of the project is doing)
2020-04-03 10:43:53	+tyil	shifts OPTIND at the *end* of the code
2020-04-03 10:43:59	+tyil	instead of after handling opts
2020-04-03 10:44:09	+tyil	I only know spotted his `sed -i`
2020-04-03 10:44:09	+japanoise	brainlet detected
2020-04-03 10:45:08	+tyil	mfw
2020-04-03 10:45:13	+tyil	he could drop the -i on sed
2020-04-03 10:45:17	+tyil	by dropping the cat
2020-04-03 10:45:22	+opal	`cat <file1 >file2` is vastly different from `cp file1 file2`
2020-04-03 10:45:33	+tyil	sed 's/a/b' < template > dockerfile
2020-04-03 10:45:46	+opal	but yeah that would be more ideal, just using sed
2020-04-03 10:45:46	+tyil	opal: it's `cat file1 > file2`
2020-04-03 10:46:01	+tyil	no `<` there :(
2020-04-03 10:46:15	+opal	ok pedant
2020-04-03 10:46:19	+opal	missing my point fucking entirely
2020-04-03 10:46:24	+tyil	ok
2020-04-03 10:46:32	+ullard	Hello lads
2020-04-03 10:46:47	+tyil	feel free to expand your point
2020-04-03 10:46:50	+japanoise	still useless since he's using sed -i further down when he should just be doing sed '…' < input > output
2020-04-03 10:46:56	+opal	<+opal> `cat <file1 >file2` is vastly different from `cp file1 file2`
2020-04-03 10:46:58	+opal	whats there to expand there
2020-04-03 10:47:00	+opal	they are different
2020-04-03 10:47:09	+opal	they do different things
2020-04-03 10:47:21	+japanoise	cp input output; sed -i '…' output; is pretty brainlet
2020-04-03 10:47:39	+tyil	japanoise: its an interesting choice to be sure
2020-04-03 10:47:47	+tyil	not one that I will allow
2020-04-03 10:47:52	+japanoise	I'd accept it if it was like
2020-04-03 10:48:01	+tyil	I'm more than OK to fix up many of his mishaps
2020-04-03 10:48:06	+tyil	but some shit is just not OK
2020-04-03 10:48:08	+opal	i use cat to "copy" all the time
2020-04-03 10:48:09	+tyil	and he needs to know
2020-04-03 10:48:12	+japanoise	some command > file; some other command >> file; some third command >> file; sed -i file
2020-04-03 10:48:19	+opal	if file2 exists and it has x permissions and you use cp(1) to file2
2020-04-03 10:48:20	+opal	guess what
2020-04-03 10:48:22	+opal	now it has y permissions
2020-04-03 10:48:28	+opal	cp and cat are not the same
2020-04-03 10:48:39	+opal	do you understand now or do i need to hold your hand more tyil
2020-04-03 10:48:39	+japanoise	or better: (command; command; command) > file; sed -i file
2020-04-03 10:48:49	+japanoise	use subshells fuckers they're good
2020-04-03 10:48:54	+tyil	opal: no need to get upset about it
2020-04-03 10:49:01	+tyil	I'm talking about this particular patch
2020-04-03 10:49:04	+opal	that doesnt answer my question
2020-04-03 10:49:06	+opal	do you understand
2020-04-03 10:49:08	+tyil	sure
2020-04-03 10:49:10	+opal	ok
2020-04-03 10:49:12	+tyil	again, no need to get *this* upset
2020-04-03 10:49:12	+opal	cool
2020-04-03 10:49:24	+opal	im upset because you completely fucking glaze over the point
2020-04-03 10:49:27	+opal	far from first time
2020-04-03 10:49:51	+opal	japanoise { command;command;... } > file would equally work and not spawn a subshell
2020-04-03 10:50:00	+japanoise	that too
2020-04-03 10:50:08	+japanoise	also if you want some particular perms on a file, chmod it
2020-04-03 10:50:11	+japanoise	better to be explicit
2020-04-03 10:50:28	+opal	i have a case in one of my scripts where i want to keep *whatever* perms the file currently has, if it exists
2020-04-03 10:50:32	+opal	i dont want the perms to be touched at all
2020-04-03 10:50:43	+opal	and the script shouldnt know what perms it has
2020-04-03 10:50:44	+opal	it doesnt need to care
2020-04-03 10:50:59	+ullard	opal: cp won't change perms of an existing file
2020-04-03 10:51:02	+ullard	Try it
2020-04-03 10:51:15	+ullard	Not without -p anyway
2020-04-03 10:51:50	+opal	huh guess so
2020-04-03 10:52:00	+opal	thought file was completely overwritten with cp
2020-04-03 10:52:03	+tyil	>getting this upset and being wrong in the end
2020-04-03 10:52:04	+opal	thats the problem with cp
2020-04-03 10:52:08	+opal	shut up nigger
2020-04-03 10:52:28	+opal	the problem with cp is thers too much going on in one single program that its difficult to understand what its actually going to do
2020-04-03 10:52:38	+opal	it isnt just "copy file"
2020-04-03 10:52:45	+opal	its "copy file and (maybe) attributes"
2020-04-03 10:52:46	+japanoise	tyil prefers a different type of cp B)
2020-04-03 10:52:52	+tyil	japanoise: ;))))
2020-04-03 10:53:00	+tyil	I also like cats tho
2020-04-03 10:53:03	+opal	"oh and maybe xattrs and selinux contexts but just maybe and only sometimes"
2020-04-03 10:53:07	+tyil	if only we could combine the two
2020-04-03 10:53:14	+japanoise	loli catgirls
2020-04-03 10:53:16	+opal	like its the exact opposite of "do one thing"
2020-04-03 10:53:17	+japanoise	boom
2020-04-03 10:53:26	+opal	i hate the cp utility
2020-04-03 10:53:29	+tyil	japanoise: now I'm aroused
2020-04-03 10:53:32	+opal	i hate ls too

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2020-04-20 10:14:24	+tyil	what license to use for a project that just defines an interface
2020-04-20 10:14:40	+tyil	thinking of LGPL, so it can be used by pretty much everyone
2020-04-20 10:46:00	+opal	all rights reserved
2020-04-20 13:26:16	+waterkip	MIT
2020-04-20 13:26:52	+tyil	MIT/BSD are the cuck's licenses
2020-04-20 13:27:20	+tyil	"h-here big corporation, please use all my work for with completely no strings attached, I love providing gratis work for mega corporations that give nothing back to the community"
2020-04-20 13:29:19	+tyil	LGPL would allow them to use it, even in proprietary codebases, so long as they share whatever they fuck up about this specific thing
2020-04-20 13:29:50	+tyil	so they can use it as is, completely for gratis, but at least the community gets *something* back in return if they have an improvement
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2020-04-20 22:09:56	+waterkip	I fucking love MIT/BSD and Apache licenses
2020-04-20 22:10:02	+waterkip	because that is truely free and open
2020-04-20 22:10:08	+waterkip	have at it
2020-04-20 22:10:14	+waterkip	and enjoy
2020-04-20 22:11:40	+waterkip	if you want to build a bussiness model around those licenses, yes.. that is a bit icky
2020-04-20 22:11:50	+waterkip	redis can probably tell you all about it
2020-04-20 23:25:06	+opal	<+tyil> "h-here big corporation, please use all my work for with completely no strings attached, I love providing gratis work for mega corporations that give nothing back to the community"
2020-04-20 23:25:10	+opal	except there are strings attached
2020-04-20 23:25:26	+opal	the source you published remains open
2020-04-20 23:25:34	+opal	so i dont know what the fucking big deal is
2020-04-20 23:26:09	+opal	"big bad businesses" cant suddenly make it proprietary
2020-04-20 23:27:47	+tyil	ok
2020-04-20 23:29:41	+opal	so tell me how gpl prevents businesses from profiting off software again, tyil
2020-04-20 23:29:59	+tyil	I never argued that, and that's not something GPL does, nor something I want to prevent
2020-04-20 23:30:05	+tyil	try again without a strawman please
2020-04-20 23:30:34	+opal	>I love providing gratis work for mega corporations that give nothing back to the community
2020-04-20 23:30:34	+opal	>implying corps selling gpl'd software dont do just that
2020-04-20 23:30:44	+opal	does your memory reset every hour or something
2020-04-20 23:30:53	+tyil	yes, neither of those statements say I oppose to companies making a profit
2020-04-20 23:31:05	+tyil	(the 2nd one is also not a statement I made)
2020-04-20 23:31:17	+opal	<+tyil> MIT/BSD are the cuck's licenses
2020-04-20 23:31:17	+opal	<+tyil> "h-here big corporation, please use all my work for with completely no strings attached, I love providing gratis work for mega corporations that give nothing back to the community"
2020-04-20 23:31:24	+opal	??
2020-04-20 23:31:40	+opal	so whats your issue exactly with permissive licensing
2020-04-20 23:31:46	+opal	other than wanting to be contrarian
2020-04-20 23:31:55	+tyil	I'm still waiting on where you show me that I said I oppose companies making a profit
2020-04-20 23:32:04	+opal	so whats your issue exactly with permissive licensing
2020-04-20 23:32:04	+opal	other than wanting to be contrarian
2020-04-20 23:32:28	+opal	i didnt come in here and say permissive licences are for cucks, with no explanation
2020-04-20 23:32:30	+opal	you did
2020-04-20 23:32:31	+opal	try again
2020-04-20 23:32:32	+tyil	ok, so I'm going to guess this is you admitting I didn't say anything of the sort
2020-04-20 23:32:55	+opal	retard
2020-04-20 23:32:58	+tyil	now that that's out of the way
2020-04-20 23:33:02	+opal	cant even read your own fucking words
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2020-04-20 23:34:13	+tyil	you understand why I have to quiet you, I hope
2020-04-20 23:34:21	+tyil	feel free to pm me once you've cooled off
2020-04-20 23:37:56	BlackChaosNL[m]	Damn, wtf xD
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